Clarification

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

Scott or someone else, can you clarify this statement for me in regards to Free Agency?:

Each owner must have 2 Free Agents nominated and offered an initial contract. You may not offer any contract if you don't have 2 players that you nominated/offered initial contracts to on the board.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Yes. Simply...

Monday night everyone must have 2 initial offers out on the board. All offers will be locked until 10:00pm that night and until we have 30 player contract offers up (15 owners- 2 each).

I could put out John Lackey for 4 yrs, $64M (for example) and Omar Vizquel for 2 yrs, $4M, and those are my two. Once I unlock the threads, anyone can offer more lucrative contracts in a reply.

Now, when an offer to one of those 2 players sits and is not upped for 12 hours, the high contract offer bidder gets that player. Since he was a guy I "nominated" and put out initially, I have to put another player out on the board BEFORE I offer contracts to any other players on the board. I always have to have 2 guys I put out there on the board. Believe me, this will be monitored.

Hope that helps explain how this will work. I will allow players to be put out on the board all day Monday, but the threads will be locked and we won't start bidding up until 10:00 that night.

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

Ok, got it. That is what I thought it meant, but I just couldn't decide. Does that mean 2 and only 2 at a time? Or just at least 2?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Only 2 at a time!

[bxm701]

1- promotes somewhat equal # nominations.
2- gets rid of people stealing players in the end game of the auction by forcing them to (potentially) fill their roster slot with people they nom.

I'm not really sure how to describe it. You'll understand it's use come the end of the auction.

Note: the rules should be amended to state ...2 nominations (or 1 if only 1 roster spot is available on the team)...

Edit: sorry, little late on that post

[bxm701]

To my previous point about having only 1 roster spot avail so only having to nom 1, I would def say that should account for a 40 man roster, not 37.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Don't have to amend the rules for that. Already in the Constitution. Yes, if you're only planning on filling 1 last spot, you don't need 2 guys out on the board. See rules.

[Deleted]

Yes but If I'm only planning to fill to 37 and I have 36 players I can then only nominate 1 player correct?

Still a little unsure on all of this I understand having to nominate 2 players but how does it work in the example below...

I nominate 2 players and put bids in on 2 others. I get one player because no one out bidded me, but the other player is receiving multiple bids and has become outside my price range. Can I only nominate 1 more player or 2? What about the other 2 players I have bids on? Do I need to wait till a decision is reached on those players? Suppose there are 2 SS up for bid and I know I want at least one of them ( I just prefer which ever one comes the cheapest) how do I do that? In real life you'd give the same contract to two players and tell them whoever accepts firsts get's the deal and the other is SOL.

[Deleted]

I dont know the answer to your SS question, you might be stuck with both.

The way I understand the first part is whenever the player you nominated gets sold (whether to you or someone else) you have to nominate someone else (as long as you have 35 or fewer active players). I think 37 is being treated as the minimum number you must have at the end of free agency, but you can have up to 40.



so my understanding is:

if you have 36 players at some point, you only are required to nominate one, but you could nominate two.

if you have 35 players and one nomination out there, you have to nominate one more

if you have 36 players and one nomination out there, you don't have to nominate anybody else.

[bxm701]

That's a problem.

If we're saying that if you have 36, you only HAVE to nominate 1 then you have to not allow people to have nominated one but bid on another.

So basically:
- you must always have 2 noms up when your roster (owned plus winning bids) is composed of 35 or less players
- for a team with 36 players or more (including winning bids), you must nominate one more player before making any bids

[bxm701]

Even what I just wrote doesnt cover it. You need it so that no one can bid on others without nominating their own. Basically, you can't bid on more players than you have nominated in the end game. So if you have 36, you can't just nominate one and then bid on 3.

It would just be simpler actually if we cut down the noms from 2 to 1 when we reach the end

[Deleted]

I think as long as you nominate the minimum number you are required to (1,2, or even zero if you have 37 I think), you can bid on as many as you want. You can even go over 40 men and the salary cap temporarily I believe

[Deleted]

Can someone explain why this is in place? What is it were trying to stop by doing this? Guess I'm not underhanded enough to figure it out

[Deleted]

I think so there's enough players to bid on without letting a single team nominate a bunch of players and so there's not too many players to bid on.

I know there's a strategy to nominating players, I'm still trying to figure it out before Monday.

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

I'm with you Steve and Andrew. I can't figure out what this really helps. The only thing I really see this doing is controlling the number of guys being bid on at once and ensuring that everything proceeds at a timely manner. I know that there is a lot of auction strategy, but I'm not sure that this really affects any of those strategies. You could theoretically still wait until the end to nominate the guys who you actually wanted by nominating but not upping the bid on any of your initial guys. And you could also still storm out in the beginning on all the guys you want. I'm fine with this, but the rationale given so far doesn't really solve any of the stated problems.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Have not read any of this today. I will go through all of this in a little while and clear everything up. This is not difficult.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Hey all. I hope I can finalize this. As for what this 2 players on the board per each owner is for and its purpose? Basically what some of you have said - an easy rule and process to control the board. And with 2 at a time it gives us 30 players as opposed to 15 to bid on (offer contracts to). I'm asking you guys to trust me on this. I've done it before in other leagues and it works well. I've set up this league with a desire to make it the best damn league we're all going to be a part of. This is just one component so let's please not make a huge deal out of this.

OK, once a team is close to filling up his roster maybe I should be a little clearer, but I agree with Andrew's comments above. They were:
if you have 36 players at some point, you only are required to nominate one, but you could nominate two.
if you have 35 players and one nomination out there, you have to nominate one more
if you have 36 players and one nomination out there, you don't have to nominate anybody else.

There should not be a problem with this. I honestly don't see this as a huge deal in the grand scheme of things. If we agree, as I think we have, to not force people to fill 40 spots because they may want to keep 1 or 2 or 3 spots open for anticipated prospect activations, then at least 37 spots MUST be filled by the auction. If I have 36 and I only want to fill one more spot, I would think it makes sense to allow me to only in that case, bid on a player without nominating someone new. He could be my 37th player so why would I have to put a potential 38th out on the board? If I have 35 and none of my players nominated are left on the board (both have sold), then I MUST nominate at least 1 and can still bid on another. That would make 37.

To clarify one point Andrew makes though that I do disagree with - I do not want any team going over 40 at any time, so if you have 37 players you can bid on 3 more no problem, but DO NOT bid on 4. You have to assume that you could always win a player and that would put you over at 41. This is not allowed. If at anytime you're outbid on any one of those 3, then yes, you can up that bid or go bid on another player. Always assume you're winning a bid and count that as one of your 40, or whatever number you're targeting to end with.

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

Thanks. Makes sense. Y'all are doing an awesome job!

[Deleted]

Makes sense thanks for clarifying.