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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Oct 2, 2022 20:08:58 GMT -5
Promote
Brock Burke LHP TEX
Orlando Arcia 2B ATL
Demote
Roansy Contreras RHP PIT
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Oct 2, 2022 20:12:14 GMT -5
Demote
Robert Suarez RP SD
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Post by Drew (Chicago Blue Jays) on Oct 2, 2022 21:22:31 GMT -5
Promote Brock Burke LHP TEX Orlando Arcia 2B ATL Demote Roansy Contreras RHP PIT Roansy has already been demoted after passing 50 IP, so he cannot be demoted again without being waived. |
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Post by Chuck (Philadelphia Astros) on Oct 22, 2022 15:12:50 GMT -5
Robert Suarez was promoted for the first time on 4-2-22. He was demoted on 5-1-22. That was the freebie. He was then promoted back on 8-29-22. He then was demoted on 10-2-22. He should have needed to pass through waivers before being demoted.
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Oct 26, 2022 14:43:02 GMT -5
Robert Suarez was promoted for the first time on 4-2-22. He was demoted on 5-1-22. That was the freebie. He was then promoted back on 8-29-22. He then was demoted on 10-2-22. He should have needed to pass through waivers before being demoted. Suarez never exceeded rookie limits in terms of IP. 47.2 IP on the season. Also, you didn't catch it at the time so it's a moot point |
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Post by Houston (Texas Giants) on Oct 26, 2022 20:11:02 GMT -5
Was Suarez in the active 25-man starting roster at any point? Because he would have one demotion before being in the active roster and one demotion after being in the active roster for the first time, per the constitution.
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Post by Henry (Cleveland Nationals) on Oct 27, 2022 3:22:50 GMT -5
My understanding was that him being on the 25 man roster at some point means he can’t be on a zero salary next year if he hasn’t exceeded rookie eligibility threshold, which would have been allowed if he was only on the bench in the majors.
The right to demote a player twice in one season seems to be covered in the following section which seems to indicate he should have technically gone through waivers the second time. Having said that it’s no biggie, and as Jason says it’s purely academic but good to clarify one way or another for next time.
“A player with zero as a salary can be optioned off the 40-man roster and back in to the minors only once before crossing the AB/IPP/APP minimum and only once after crossing the minimum.”
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Post by Houston (Texas Giants) on Oct 27, 2022 7:36:53 GMT -5
My understanding was that him being on the 25 man roster at some point means he can’t be on a zero salary next year if he hasn’t exceeded rookie eligibility threshold, which would have been allowed if he was only on the bench in the majors. The right to demote a player twice in one season seems to be covered in the following section which seems to indicate he should have technically gone through waivers the second time. Having said that it’s no biggie, and as Jason says it’s purely academic but good to clarify one way or another for next time. “A player with zero as a salary can be optioned off the 40-man roster and back in to the minors only once before crossing the AB/IPP/APP minimum and only once after crossing the minimum.” Yeah my comment above was referencing the “APP” part of the “rules” to mean appearance in the active roster. I think this could be clarified to read differently. If the intent is that putting a player in your lineup locks them into a $0 salary that year and forfeiture of rookie status, then I believe that Jason should have had a free option to demote him “after crossing minimums” because it didn’t matter anymore about the minimum ABs. If the rule is intended to be read differently, I’d love to hear from Scott or Drew or someone with insight into the Constitution creation. |
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Post by Henry (Cleveland Nationals) on Oct 27, 2022 19:13:40 GMT -5
I think APP referred to the old rules where there was another rookie threshold (primarily aimed at relief pitchers) of 20 appearances, which has since gone but will yield to the commish on that one
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Post by Drew (Chicago Blue Jays) on Nov 1, 2022 17:20:35 GMT -5
Henry is right that we used to have appearances as a threshold, which we removed several years ago. That was the before/after stipulation and what is probably referred to in "APP," so that should be removed. Chuck was right in that Suarez should have been passed through waivers, but as has been said, we missed it before and it is inconsequential for the last few games of the year. Suarez now starts his 500K years. All good!
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