Rookie Eligible w/ MLB contract

[bxm701]

What do we do with players that are still rookie eligible but have signed MLB deals?

For instance, Cot's says Bauer has 2 years left on a 4 year / 4.45M contract - plus I'm assuming there are some arbitration eligible years after that.

So do I have the option to keep that contract assuming I keep him on my 40-man and the option of putting him on the farm and calling him up on a with a "fake" contract when I'm ready? Or am I forced into one of those two options?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I thought we discussed this with the example of Leonys Martin. If a player is still Minors eligible I think we should be able to assign him to our Minors as one of a possible 50. Then if he reaches the 130 AB, 50 IP, or 20 pitching appearances, he must be called up to our Majors roster by the following season. You can activate current season if so desired. Then we are saying a player in this situation will be on a league minimum salary of $500,000.

I guess it's a luxury in our rules for Minor Leaguers and salary once they're activated to Majors, so why not use it.

If you want to put Bauer on your Majors squad and assign him 2 years for $4.45M, feel free, right? Then you'd have an open Minors spot which could allow you to keep "the next big thing."

[Deleted]

When you call a player up from "the minors" midseason, does that count as the first year at 500k or does the next year start the clock?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

No cost the first season. Only after players passes the threshold numbers, then the clock starts ticking the following season.

If Joe Blow came up in 2012 and got 53 AB, and then let's say he only gets 75 AB in 2013, he's still Minors eligible and wouldn't pass 130 AB until 2014. That means his $500,000 salary doesn't kick in until 2015!

For a guy like Middlebrooks who passed 130 AB last year in his rookie season, I have to start his clock and pay him $500,000 this year. If we had been playing last year, he wouldn't have cost me anything in 2012.

[bxm701]

So it seems like a real bonus then to have a rookie that's already signed a deal because if I take that deal I get the additional arbitration years I would assume. I'd definitely be able to lock someone like Bauer up for longer than our maximum length contract (I think)...

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

You are correct sir, if I'm assuming you're going with our Diamond Duos years of $500K then arbitration.

[Deleted]

you'd probably want him as a prospect. You could have him for 0-.5-.5-.5-.5

you might get one extra year out of him with the major league contract, but it will cost millions. plus you could use a prospect tag if you have him as a prospect.

so you could lock up two more years at 3-5 I think

[bxm701]

My God I'm confused.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Yes, just use him as one of your Minors this year. If he's activated to your Majors roster he's free this year. Assuming he passed 20 appearances or 50 IP, then next year and following years he's $500K until arbitration.

[Deleted]

Player A: Player with no major league contract in real life and fewer than 130 AB's:

He is named as one of your 50 prospects and has no salary. You can have 3 options
1) put him on your 40 man this year for free
2) leave him in your minors all year and he passes 130 career AB's
3) leave him in your minors all year and he does not pass this limit

1) If you call him up, he receives 0 this year and then receives .5 each year for 4 years. After that, you can apply one prospect tag every two years, giving him a salary of 3 million and 5 million the two years after that.

2) You must call him up to the 40 man NEXT YEAR and give him .5 a year for four years. You can also apply the prospect tag

3) You can do either 1 or 2 next year.


Player B: A player currently eligible for a contract renewal (fewer than 3 years of service time) or arbitration (more than 3 years, fewer than 6 years) who has already passed the 130 AB threshold

He must be one of your 15 keepers from his major league team. He receives .5 each year until he is scheduled to qualify for arbitration (3 years of service time). Then he receives essentially club options the next three years in the amount of 1 million, 2 million, and 3 million.


If this player has <1 year of service time, his salaries will be .5-.5-.5-1-2-3

If this player has more than 1 but less than two years, his salaries will be .5-.5-1-2-3

...

If this player has more than 3 years and fewer than 4 years, he will assume this year's salary, and then he will receive a one million dollar raise each of the next two years.

If a player has more than 4 years of service and fewer than 5 years, he will assume this year's salary and then a one million dollar raise.

If a player has more than 5 years of service and fewer than 6 years, he will receive this year's salary and then will become a free agent

[Deleted]

I'm going to post this question here since it seems relevant to the discussion and Andrew is on top of the contract thing:

spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tWj271vM8jP83pjeMtNrKog&output=html

Dustin Ackley makes 2.7 this year. Then is under team control until 2018. According to Cots, what does his contract look like in our league?

My first thoughts were: 13: $2.7 14: $3.7 15: $4.7 16. $5.7 17. $6.7 18. FA

Thoughts?

[Deleted]

thats a tough one. The first two years would be 2.7 because he becomes eligible for arbitration in 2015. So 2014 would be a renewal.

We settled on the one million dollar raises for people who already had an arbitration figure. For players still on renewal, we said 1-2-3.

so its either 2.7-2.7-3.7-4.7-5.7 or 2.7-2.7-1-2-3

for consistency I think the correct one would be the second and cheaper one.

[Deleted]

Thanks Andrew.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I'm sorry. I have to jump in on this one. I understand the whole 1-2-3 concept in the final 3 seasons of arbitration if coming from a prospect salary of $500,000. But it doesn't make any sense to have a contract that starts out at $2.7M and then go DOWN to $1M, then $2M, then $3M. ?

I would argue that in Ackley's case, the first example of 2.7, 2.7, then 3.7, 4.7 and 5.7 would make a whole heck of a lot more sense. Like Andrew says, we settled on $1M raises for contracts like this.

[Deleted]

Yea, I wasn't sure how to go about it. Technically, we agreed on $1m raises on guys with an arbitration figure and Ackleys is from his initial signing after the draft. It's an odd case and I don't know how many other guys out there are making a salary based on the draft and still have arbitration years available. I'm not really arguing either way, just trying to hammer out all the nuances in the contracts out there.

Like we said in the other thread, Im all for simplicity.

2.7 - 2.7 - 3.7 - 4.7 - 5.7 is cool with me

[Deleted]

Ackley has fewer than 3 years of service time so he is in the same boat with players who are at 500k, or even 625k. We set the 1-2-3 rule for all players under 3 years.

We set the one million year raises for players with more than 3 years of service and fewer than six years. These guys have already received arbitration salaries or will receive settlements.