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Post by Scott (Boston Padres) on Feb 25, 2018 21:11:10 GMT -5
If a player sells for 1 year, $25M, or more, (like 1 year, $50M as a current offer in DD2), he should not be able to be Franchise Tagged for $15M the next year. We need to come up with a better system for Franchise Tag tiers based on previous salary.
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:36:58 GMT -5
One solution would be to institute RFA rules and anything with an AAS over 15M requires at least a 4 year contract
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Post by Drew (Chicago Blue Jays) on Feb 25, 2018 22:21:27 GMT -5
Not a bad idea. We could also say that any player receiving a franchise tag must have been owned for 2 years previously (which makes sense for a "Franchise" player).
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Post by Scott (Boston Padres) on Feb 26, 2018 0:36:18 GMT -5
Let's keep the comments and suggestions coming. I'm asking this of all 4 DD leagues to get some ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 14:50:32 GMT -5
I'm all for allowing GM's to run their own teams. I'm for smaller Government, not larger more controlling Government. Plus, no one said a damn thing when I signed Kershaw to $63m a year for 3 years. I think the issue is that the owners plan is a one time balloon payment and then turn around and franchise at $15M a year. No one took issue with what you did because you were simply front loading the contract. I think offers above $20M should have a minimum number of years requirement
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 11:54:41 GMT -5
If we look at this from another perspective, we could change the way franchise tags work. The amount a player is franchise tagged for could be correlated to their previous salary. Example, a player signed for 20 mil or more would be tagged at 20 mil instead of 15 mil. I don't necessarily agree with this method, but you asked for ideas and thought I would share one in case others liked the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 15:23:27 GMT -5
I'm done with it. I'll just make damn sure I go into EVERY off-season with a full 40 players.
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Mar 2, 2018 7:28:55 GMT -5
I'm all for allowing GM's to run their own teams. I'm for smaller Government, not larger more controlling Government. Plus, no one said a damn thing when I signed Kershaw to $63m a year for 3 years. I think the issue is that the owners plan is a one time balloon payment and then turn around and franchise at $15M a year. No one took issue with what you did because you were simply front loading the contract. I think offers above $20M should have a minimum number of years requirement Ridiculous. Why load teams up with long term offers?
Giving a guy a 1 year deal for $50m and franchising him is a brilliant move. If you have the cap and can do it, it's a smart move. The PROBLEM if there is one, is that franchise tags are too low. Nobody has an issue with Machado, Trout, or Harper being franchised at 5 years for $15m AAS. NOBODY. SO signing a FA for a huge deal in order to franchise them shouldn't bother you either.
The bigger concern for me isn't JD getting $50m. It's fucking Brandon Morrow and Addison Reed each getting 1 year $20m contracts. Forcing teams to add years on high AAS will only lead to more terrible contracts and I shouldn't have to mortgage the future in order to sign the 15th best closer in the league.
This is a moot point that is only brought up because someone was finally smart enough to make a financially sound move.
And I'll add this on a personal note. If the UFA bidding is changed to RFA guidelines, then I'm out. The RFA bidding structure is one of the worst I have ever been apart of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 7:57:03 GMT -5
Agreed Jason, one year balloon offers have been made in at least DD1 and DD2 before, but is it because I did it that is rankling feathers and being posted about across 4 leagues? I'm taking it personally to be honest with you and why I'm more than a little incensed over it. Even if you doubled the franchise amount this will still happen. I'll pay $75m in one year to guarantee myself the same player the following year for $30m. So if Scott's goal is to up the franchise amount so that one year balloon offers go away, then that is simply NOT going to happen. Most other leagues I'm in does a full value offer; which is more indicative of what real life offers. I tried to post a poll about that, but was shut down on that as well. As for RFA; most (not all) other leagues offer the parent team a 15% discount to resign their own RFA. Just an idea on that, but what do I know. I'm the jackass that bid $50m on one player. I think I'll just make sure I have 40 players at the end of each season so I don't have to deal with all the BS/Drama
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Post by Scott (Boston Padres) on Mar 2, 2018 9:12:39 GMT -5
If there's any BS and drama it's being generated by owners in the league. Not from this Commissioner. I'm asking for civil and respectful conversation to make the leagues better. I am offended and frustrated that Jon and others are taking it personally (that's on them). Jason, UFA will NEVER be changed to work like RFA. Who suggested that? Won't happen in Diamond Duos. They were created to be different. Can RFA be tweaked to make more sense and work better? Probably? Do we have to modify UFA? Maybe, not sure.
My entire reason for posting this SAME exact question on all 4 league sites was to try and get some better ideas for Franchise Tags and making them better across the board for all salaried players. Jon's J.D. Martinez 1 year, $50M offer in DD2 was only used as an example but he somehow thinks I'm telling him he can't do that, which I never have done. Period.
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Mar 2, 2018 9:22:21 GMT -5
One solution would be to institute RFA rules and anything with an AAS over 15M requires at least a 4 year contract Scott (Boston Padres)
So someone has suggested it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 9:38:42 GMT -5
Jason, I am confused at your reasoning. I used the exact same strategy that Jon did. Is it because you didn’t have the cap space to match my offers to Reed and Morrow?
Why would i sign a RP to a 3 Or 4 year deal with an AAS of 12-15+ AAS when i can win the bid for one year and RFA them in the off season.
The way our RFA rules are constructed the RP will never go for as high of an AAS because they are forced to be signed long term which most ppl are super hesitant to do on RP for obvious reasons.
I really don’t get the difference between what Jon did in DD2 and what I did in DD1. The only difference is you are commending Jon in one league and slandering my strategy in another. Only difference I see is that you weren’t in the hunt for Martinez.
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Mar 2, 2018 9:49:35 GMT -5
If you wanna spend $40m on marginal relievers, that's on you. I think it's a poor use of strategy and cap and doesn't have the impact that JD will have. I chalk it up to you not wanting to lose the player and having money to burn. I see it all the time across multiple leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 10:07:05 GMT -5
After RFA i had 100M in cap space. Cap is very much a use it or lose it affair. I’m not sure I really see the downside in offering one year contracts. There simply wasn’t a JD caliber player on UFA so I should just sit back and collect my extra 50M in space for what exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 10:07:45 GMT -5
It seems to be fine except when I do it; hence my taking it personal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 10:10:45 GMT -5
Not only is not ok for me to do it, but I also get blasted out across 4 leagues total, three of which I am in, but have already quit one of them. Imagine signing onto something for fun several times a day only to see something you thought you did in good strategy get lambasted across everything.
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Post by Jason (Seattle Braves) on Mar 2, 2018 10:13:06 GMT -5
It seems to be fine except when I do it; hence my taking it personal. Nobody is reversing the signing. Why are you getting butt hurt over this? Let the haters hate and vote and lobby against any changes to franchise tags. There is so much that can be cleaned up with the rules of this league to make it easier to run without the need of 3 commissioners and a spreadsheet guy.
Every time I bring up a rule I get lectured about how we must keep everything the status quo because "Scott works hard". Even if the rule changes will decrease the workload. So do your thing and if they feel like you are gaming the system, well then they should have thought about that 5 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 10:17:53 GMT -5
It seems to be fine except when I do it; hence my taking it personal. Nobody is reversing the signing. Why are you getting butt hurt over this? Let the haters hate and vote and lobby against any changes to franchise tags. There is so much that can be cleaned up with the rules of this league to make it easier to run without the need of 3 commissioners and a spreadsheet guy.
Every time I bring up a rule I get lectured about how we must keep everything the status quo because "Scott works hard". Even if the rule changes will decrease the workload. So do your thing and if they feel like you are gaming the system, well then they should have thought about that 5 years ago.
Jason I'm trying to but again this is for fun. I play in many leagues and because I'm in front of a computer for 10 hours a day I dare you to find as active of an owner, but to see something you've done by the rules and in competitive spirit get blasted over three of your favorite leagues is a bit disheartening. That's when it's not fun any more
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Post by Scott (Boston Padres) on Mar 2, 2018 10:57:15 GMT -5
Zack Godley. 1 year, $52M in Diamond Duos III. Not one owner is bitching and moaning about that one.
Jon, it's a debate across 4 leagues about Tags. It's not about you. It's not about blasting you at all. And who is lecturing you about keeping things status quo because "Scott works hard"? I'm lobbying for change here buddy to make things better!!! I am not asking for status quo.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 11:11:04 GMT -5
I have yet to weigh in and I am in all 4 of the leagues so I see it across the spectrum. Personally, I wish we would just let this topic and all other rule change discussions 'have a cool off period'. I don't mean to offend anyone's perspective, but to a certain degree I think everyone could agree that the timing of the debate is off and counter productive to the health of the league ad its owners. What Jon did was well within the confines of the rules and that should be about all that matters at this point. Any potential changes could not be in effect until 2019 so there is ample time after the season to have some productive talks and potential votes on change and until then we should keep our eye on what makes this type of thing fun. We are all baseball junkies doing something in 'fantasy land' that we wish we were getting paid to do in the real world because we all now more than the GM of our favorite team.
I am all for some good ball busting, but as we know tone, sarcasm and other jokes are hard to convey in a chatroom so in this rare case we all should just take the high road and let this one go until we are preparing to have Turkey and watch football on a Thursday in November.
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Post by Scott (Boston Padres) on Mar 2, 2018 12:13:20 GMT -5
I have yet to weigh in and I am in all 4 of the leagues so I see it across the spectrum. Personally, I wish we would just let this topic and all other rule change discussions 'have a cool off period'. I don't mean to offend anyone's perspective, but to a certain degree I think everyone could agree that the timing of the debate is off and counter productive to the health of the league ad its owners. What Jon did was well within the confines of the rules and that should be about all that matters at this point. Any potential changes could not be in effect until 2019 so there is ample time after the season to have some productive talks and potential votes on change and until then we should keep our eye on what makes this type of thing fun. We are all baseball junkies doing something in 'fantasy land' that we wish we were getting paid to do in the real world because we all now more than the GM of our favorite team. I am all for some good ball busting, but as we know tone, sarcasm and other jokes are hard to convey in a chatroom so in this rare case we all should just take the high road and let this one go until we are preparing to have Turkey and watch football on a Thursday in November. Well said J. Definitely a discussion for next offseason and nothing in the rules would be changing until 2019 anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 14:16:10 GMT -5
I respect the strategy but do we really want to play in a league where people like Z Godley are getting 50+M contracts? It’s not perfect but the dynamics the rules create make this version of fantasy baseball pretty realistic I’d hate for teams that IMO do it the right way by building through the draft to be penalized by teams who strategy would be to accumulate cap room, give ridiculous 1 year contracts to 3 players franchise 1 and RFA 2 others then rinse and repeat the next season all while finishing in the basement and accumulating high picks. Not saying that’s what anyone has done yet but that’s the next step.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 14:32:04 GMT -5
I respect the strategy but do we really want to play in a league where people like Z Godley are getting 50+M contracts? It’s not perfect but the dynamics the rules create make this version of fantasy baseball pretty realistic I’d hate for teams that IMO do it the right way by building through the draft to be penalized by teams who strategy would be to accumulate cap room, give ridiculous 1 year contracts to 3 players franchise 1 and RFA 2 others then rinse and repeat the next season all while finishing in the basement and accumulating high picks. Not saying that’s what anyone has done yet but that’s the next step. Why not? The Marlins are doing it now for the 3rd time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 14:45:47 GMT -5
lol that was pretty funny.... and true. Poor Marlin's fans
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