Pre Arb Players

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What's the salary for pre arbitration players is it the league minimum?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I believe this should be 2013 MLB minimum salary, which is $480,000. Am I right?

[Deleted]

I agree

so a player with full team control would have a salary of .48-.48-.48-1-2-3?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Yes, this is what I would like. Keep it simple. League minimum during first years, then $1M, $2M and $3M in arb years.

Do we modify the league minimum to match MLB's each year? That's easy enough to do.

[Deleted]

I would say we just set it and leave the minimum the same just to make it simpler. It wouldn't change by much anyways.

Also just so were clear we are using arbitration agreements for this year then they revert to the 1M 2M 3M etc. So as an example Posey is at 8M this year and reverts to 2M next year?

[Deleted]

If it goes up again maybe we can modify it to a clean .5

Steve- I believe so. I asked a question about 4th year arbitration in another thread. I would assume he would get 4 million in the fourth year

[Deleted]

Or we just agree to set it at 500K now and just leave it at that all time. Just a thought Although I might feel different when I'm down to my last $$ ;D

[Deleted]

I'm good on making pre-arb players just a flat 500K

[Deleted]

Also, for situations like Posey why don't we just keep his salary at 8M for his arb years? He'l never make less than that right?

[Deleted]

Unless his performance drops off. I'm still curious if arb years will be guaranteed or treated as club options

[Deleted]

I understand this directly affects me but that doesn't sound fair that it be set to 8M for future years. The reason the team does this and not pay him the minimum is they don't want him pissed off they are rewarding him for WS and are hoping to sign him to a long term contract where he gives back some of his FA years. I understand paying 8M this year but after that he should be treated the same as every other player will be treated.

[Deleted]

I'm good with an even 500k going forward.

Like Andrew, I am curious if we treat the Arb years as club options....I'm guessing a MLB team can waive a player during those years at no penalty? If so, club options make sense in this league.

It seems to me, that the easiest thing to do for players like Posey and Heyward on my team would be to use their Arbitration Salary this year and keep it the same throughout their Arb years OR revert back to the $1m-$2m-$3m-$4m system. Im good either way.

I'll say this though, keeping it at $8m or $3.5 a year does represent some sort of market value for Posey and Heyward going forward.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I'm good at having our Diamond Duos league minimum $500K, at least for the first few years. Make's it a nice even number. It'll be great when Steve Texas Giants needs that additional $20K to sign a player and doesn't have it though. Haha.

I am in favor of $1M, $2M, $3M arbitration contract amounts that would be attached to our league minimum guys now as we enter our initial season. As for guys that have come to agreements this off-season to avoid arbitration, we should use that number and I propose a $1M raise in salary each arb year. So a guy like Posey who just got $8M would be $9M in 2014 and $10M in 2015, just like our other younger player arb contracts will go up $1M each season until Free Agency. There's no way that:
1. You can pay Posey $8M this year and then go down to $1M or $3.5M or whatever. That doesn't work.
2. You can pay Posey $1M, 2M and $3M in arbitration years when he's making $8M now!
I believe my plan above makes the most sense.

What do you guys think of this plan?

[Deleted]

I agree with your two points, Scott. It makes sense for the salaries to increase at the same rate as the players who are in their arb years and I think in Posey's case his $8M reflects current market value.

Full Disclosure: By agreeing that these guys that have already settled upon salaries in real life keep those salaries going forward will probably affect 4-5 guys that I will keep. It just seems fair.

What do you think about all arbitration years being Club options for the owners?

[Deleted]

Yeah, I don't see taking a situation like Posey and having his salary go down as an option.

If anything, keep it the same during his arbitration years.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

If an MLB club has an option and can non-tender a player in arbitration years, then I am ok with those being Diamond Duos club options too. But is that a year to year decision? So you may or may not keep Posey next year? And if you do, then you can decide you may or may not keep him the following year? Or if you keep him NOW and sign him to a 13:$8M, 14:$9M, 15:10M deal, should you be locked in to those 3 years or not?

I think Andrew is going to address this and a couple other items we've been discussing that the majority of us seem to be in agreement on.

[Deleted]

Scott,

I'm fine with that solution. Just want to make sure were clear. Whatever a players salary is in 2013 goes up by 1M each arb year he has left? Or is it based on the type of arb year left?
arb 1 1M increase
arb 2 2M increase
arb 3 3M increase
arb 4 4M increase

Also we can walk away from a player during any of those years with no penalty since the team has the option to offer arbitration correct?

[Deleted]

Just like a MLB team can choose not offer arb I should not be forced to sign a long term contract either. It should be on a year to year basis. Doing anything else would make no sense.

[Deleted]

My proposal was to take the higher of:
A)1-2-3
B) current settlement repeated: 8-8-8 for posey

Brandon moss on my team would be 1.6-2-3

[bxm701]

This is still unclear.

Wouldn't it be .48-.48-.48-1.48-2.48-3.48? Aren't you adding the previous salary tithe first arb year?

[Deleted]

this thread is outdated (3 days...I know)

for a player under renewal they get the minimum until they are eligible for arbitration. they will then receive 1-2-3

for a player eligible for arbitration they receive their current salary this year, plus a one million dollar raise each additional year they are eligible for arbitration

[bxm701]

I think I'm hiring a consultant to fill out my spreadsheet. PM me guys, maybe we can get a group rate...

[bxm701]

Andrew what about players that are not eligible for arbitration but their contracts are +1M.

For instance strasburg will make 3.9 mill this season and be arb eligible next season. Obviously he cant go 3.9 and then back down to 1-2-3. Do we just go 3.9-3.9-3.9-3.9?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

It's an increase of $1M per arb season. So if he's $3.9M this year and eligible for arb next year, then he'd be 14:$4.9M, 15:$5.9M, 16:$6.9M. Andrew, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Deleted]

I said this in the other thread about Ackley:

Ackley has fewer than 3 years of service time so he is in the same boat with players who are at 500k, or even 625k. We set the 1-2-3 rule for all players under 3 years.

We set the one million year raises for players with more than 3 years of service and fewer than six years. These guys have already received arbitration salaries or will receive settlements.