RFA Rules Proposal

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Need to rethink how we address players that receive no bids in the in the RFA process. Is it fair that a real life salary is applied, but if someone bids $500K, the owner can match? Also, I was not aware that the person with RFA rights was eligible to bid on his own player. Is that correct? If so, it was not clear. In discussions with Scott, he believed bidding on your own player was allowed.

Please provide clarification as it would have impacted my bidding strategy.

Jim

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Don't need to change anything. You can bid on your players so all you needed to do was place a min bid of 500K and they would have been yours. I have placed bids on all my RFA's.

[Deleted]

I agree the rules do not need to be changed however they were not clear to me this year. I know there was a thread about this but nothing was ever settled. I saw a bid made on Walker but by the time I saw that it was allowed the 12 hours passed for me to make a bid on valbuena.

If I knew real life salaries would take place if no bid I would not have made a bid on Jansen. I would have let it pass and given Jansen's real life salary he probably would have been passed to UFA.

[Jason (Seattle Braves)]

I didn't know you could bid on your own players either. Plus, starting the fucking bid process at 9pm and then running a 12 hour clock is ridiculous

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Feb 18, 2017 22:34:22 GMT -5 Jason (Seattle Braves) said:

I didn't know you could bid on your own players either. Plus, starting the fucking bid process at 9pm and then running a 12 hour clock is ridiculous

Then make another suggestion please. I can't open these fucking bidding threads in the morning because real life calls. Go ahead and please let me know what you'd prefer to make this better. If you throw in an overnight block where time doesn't tick it makes it SO much more difficult to calculate the 12 hours.

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Maybe start at 9:00 pm due to real life. Pause at Midnight until 9:00 am. ? Just a thought.
I for one am usually in bed BEFORE 9:00pm.

[Jason (Seattle Braves)]

Feb 19, 2017 8:29:27 GMT -5 Scott (Boston Padres) said:

Feb 18, 2017 22:34:22 GMT -5 Jason (Seattle Braves) said:

I didn't know you could bid on your own players either. Plus, starting the fucking bid process at 9pm and then running a 12 hour clock is ridiculous

Then make another suggestion please. I can't open these fucking bidding threads in the morning because real life calls. Go ahead and please let me know what you'd prefer to make this better. If you throw in an overnight block where time doesn't tick it makes it SO much more difficult to calculate the 12 hours.

Real life calls?!?!?  Really.  Fuck that excuse.  I was in bed at 10 and at work by 6am. Wish I had time to fuck around on the internet all night

Here are some extremely simple solutions for you to consider.  

1. 24 hour bids instead of 12.  

2. Open RFA for a week.  Feb 19-25.  Highest bid after 24 hours closes that player's bidding.  The guys that don't get bid on, we have a week to get bids in.  IF a player goes a full week without a bid, they can return to the tagging team at a 25% salary increase on a 1 year deal.  I tagged Werth for a chance to get him back cheap.  at 9 am the next day, I find out I can bring him back at $21m?!?  

3. Reward compensation for declined players that are won with over $15-20m bids.  As it stands, there is really little point to tagging guys.  MAYBE you can get them back.  If you don't, its a lost asset with no compensation

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I'm not making excuses for running these leagues and putting all the time into them that I do.

Decent ideas. We can discuss RFA to 24 hours but I'm not changing regular UFA.

Compensation is also something we should discuss.

[Chuck (Philadelphia Astros)]

If a RFA does not get a bid in a 24 hour span, then his "Real Life" salary comes into play. I think an 18 hour clock would be better than 12 to hold a bid. I think a vote need to happen.

[Chuck (Philadelphia Astros)]

If a RFA does not get a bid in a 24 hour span, then his "Real Life" salary comes into play. I think an 18 hour clock would be better than 12 to hold a bid. I think a vote need to happen.

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Is this really an issue??? I mean even if you go to bed before it opens are you really sleeping 12 hours. It takes 2 sec to place a bid and reset the clock on a player. We've been doing this for 4 years don't ever remember a complaint.

[Jason (Seattle Braves)]

Feb 19, 2017 11:47:08 GMT -5 @stevelblc said:

Is this really an issue??? I mean even if you go to bed before it opens are you really sleeping 12 hours. It takes 2 sec to place a bid and reset the clock on a player. We've been doing this for 4 years don't ever remember a complaint.

Yeah, it's really an issue. For starters, what is the rush? Why start the clock so that it will end early in the morning and have it run through the night?

And just because nobody has complained in 4 years means it is a good system. The amount of turnover in ownership is a better quantifier to note if things are working efficiently and fairly.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

To be honest, the turnover in this league has been more than in any of my other Diamond Duos leagues. And I take responsibility for bringing in owners who aren't active enough and things go dormant on those clubs. Honestly don't think it's in any way a reflection of the rules and how we have the league set up.

I'm all for tweaking things to make it better but these are discussions we need to have and then get things voted on if there's an actual proposal. We did that this year with claiming minors on board and doing away with the 20 pitching appearances for Minors eligibility. Those were the first changes in a long time.

[Henry (Cleveland Nationals)]

Hey all, I'm pretty easy going on whatever happens here, I've never had a problem with 12h in general. Having a 24h clock for example could be interminable but I could get used to it, so debate away! I do think that having an initial 24h period for the first bid in the RFA does make sense though, it's easy to be caught short right at the start and a few decent players haven't been bid on in the past in RFAs. Not a problem in UFA as players make the initial bids.

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

I am with Henry. I think we could go 24 hours initially and then stick to the 12 after that. Although bidding on your own guys would also fix the problem. We could even start RFA like UFA with an initial bid from the restricting owner.

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Whatever the group decides I'm fine with. I guess I'm just different there's such a limited time commitment to this league with the one exception being FA. Scott runs 4 of these and the time commitment has to be huge so if one time a year I have to pay a little more attention not a big deal in my book.

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I did not mean to cause a shit storm here. All I was suggesting was that if a player receives no bids, the team with rights should be able to bring him back for 1 more year at his current salary (not real life). The current system allows for games to be played. In that thread, teams with rights should not be able to bid on their own players.

I think in the RFA process this year, certain teams took advantage of a loophole or lack of clarity in the rules and benefited over other franchises who thought otherwise.

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You want to keep it easy. If you submit an RFA (ANY RFA) with a certain amount of years then that player automatically starts the auction with a $500k salary for each year from the RFAing team. So worst case scenario for the team is that no bids are made then he goes back to his original team at the $500k per year. It's early in the morning, but unless I'm missing something that is a very simple way to alleviate any concerns.

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i agree with Jon. I think if no bids are placed on an RFA you should get the player for a 1 year min salary contract of $500K.

[Deleted]

Agree.

Can we put to a vote and make plans to incorporate into next season?

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Feb 23, 2017 11:43:38 GMT -5 @stevelblc said:

i agree with Jon. I think if no bids are placed on an RFA you should get the player for a 1 year min salary contract of $500K.

Unless you stipulate 2, 3, 4 or 5 years. Then it would be $500k each year. I just think it's a simple and easy fix for everyone, even the commish.

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For me personally I always put at least a 2 year 500K bid on all my players that I RFA so for me this rule does nothing. But if it helps someone else I'm all for it.

[Deleted]

Feb 23, 2017 12:39:24 GMT -5 @stevelblc said:

For me personally I always put at least a 2 year 500K bid on all my players that I RFA so for me this rule does nothing. But if it helps someone else I'm all for it.

Great, then can I hire you to do that on all my future RFA players, lol? Problem solved. 

[Chuck (Philadelphia Astros)]

I also think that a player should be on the board for at least 24 hours.

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I agree with Chuck here, what's the rush with RFA? some players will have bidding on them long after the 24 hour period.