Invalid Bids

[Deleted]

What do we do when we see an invalid bid? I've seen bids not matching its stated AAS and bids that vary more than 40% a given year. Can we just ignore those bids?

[jsally430]

in all fairness we should probably let them know

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Either Andrew, Taylor, or I will post a modification to the illegal bid thread (so the time stamp on the bid isn't changed). If anyone can then either email or PM the person, that's great. We'll do our best.

There are a couple out there now that aren't legal.

[Deleted]

Pittsburgh Orioles offer 3 years, $21M
AAS: 7M
2013: $10M
2014: $8M
2015: $3M

Nick Markakis

[Deleted]

Teas Giants offer 2 years 3M ( AAS 1.5M )

13:700K
14:1.5M

Juan Pierre

[jsally430]

question is it the total yearly salary or total salary? for example in the darren o day thread
some has a one year 750k offer. then another comes to 2 years at 500k for a total of 1 million? bringing his total annual salary to 500 thousand per year is that illeagal?

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

If the AAS is equal to the previous bid with more years, or if the AAS is greater, even for 1 year, then the bid is legal.

I offered Lincecum a 3 yr deal for AAS $10M. Was 3 years $30M total. Andrew can outbid me for 1 year at $11M if he wants to.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Jimmy's bid on Stephen Drew was not valid.
Pittsburgh Orioles offer 2 years, $1.5M
AAS: $750k
2013: $1M
2014: $500k

Initial offer was AAS of $1M. I upped the initial offer anyway.

[bxm701]

Just to close the loop on this, I would suggest that if a 1-invalid bid is made, or 2-a bid is made that is not actually "better" than the bid it is trying to beat, and this is NOT caught by Scott/Andrew within the 12 hour clock of the previous valid bid, then that valid bid wins and there is nothing that can be done (ie. it is up to everyone to police themselves and not rely on commishes).

Commishes will likely catch everything, but I just thought this should be in writing somewhere just in case (assuming you agree).

[cugs36]

I understand the AAS rules on contracts now and have made note moving forward. Sorry about that. I thought it was total contract.

[cugs36]

Just an FYI, I think it's absolutely ridiculous that I lost Lindstrom and Marmol the way I did. Sorry Iam not on this site all day everyday and missed something so minimal that cost me two players. If you had any respect you would of done same thing I did with Chuck and give him the benefit of the doubt and just bid higher. Guess I got your and the leagues message loud and clear!!!!

Jimmy

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I have to say Jimmy's 100% right. This doesn't keep in the spirit of the league. I understand why the rules are in place of needing to have 2 players on the board but if everyone can agree this wasn't some underhanded ploy by Jimmy and just simply a miss on his part then the bidding should have continued. I mean the mistake made was not having 2 players up on the board there was nothing wrong with the bid itself.

Not everyone can live on these boards and it's easy to lose track of when players you nominated get bought especially when your nominating players you have no intention of buying so you are not paying attention to their outcome. Instead of PMing and sending emails to the commish, how about doing what I did when Ben screwed up his bid on Feliz and I simply upped his bid and made a note that his last bid was invalid. THAT was the right way to handle it. PM's don't go to your email I have to look to see if I have any. I assume if Jimmy looked at the board quickly on the two players he would have seen his name still listed and assumed he was the high bidder. I know I would have.

I also think it's wrong to base decisions on the quality of ther players and not the situation itself. I have a feeling based on Scott's comments that if we were discussing Halladay & Bourne the same decision would not have been reached. That isn't right.

I don't think the commishes in the league should have had to even rule on this, and this should have been handled easily by the parties involved.

My reason for even getting involved here is for one reason and reason only, I care about this league and I plan on playing with all of you for many many years and would hate for this bad taste to linger.

Since a ruling has been made the only way this situation can be resolved (fairly) IMO is if Ben was willing to give the players back to the pool and continue the bidding from where they left off. As in life you can't make people do the right thing, you can only hope they do.

[Drew (Chicago Blue Jays)]

Fine, if it will make everyone feel better then I will put Frank Francisco back on the board and we can keep bidding on him.

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

Sorry guys. It was a miss on the Commishes part too. And I'm sick of all this. Whatever the decision is, someone gets pissed. You know what? I'm pissed that not everyone can follow the simple rules and expectations we set up for the league, for bidding, for format, for players on the board, and I could go on and on. Should I make initial offers invalid because teams don't list a player's team abbreviation in the subject field? Probably not but it's a pain in my ass. Should I make a bid invalid because the AAS wasn't even listed? Probably.

Should I take Marmol and Lindstrom away from Ben (or Jimmy)? I don't know but I'm about to and either start them over from scratch or lock then until blind bidding.

Get this crap out of the league or you might lose me. Sorry, but I'm not dealing with this petty stuff. You guys don't realize how frustrating this shit is after all the work I put in to make Diamond Duos.

There you go! It's in writing. Everyone f'n please follow the rules and format!

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[bxm701]

Sheesh, one day the commish is telling me to watch my tongue and the next he's dropping F-bombs on the forum. This is more like it!!!!

I'll start by saying if the group is so up in arms about this, I have no issue in restarting the bidding of all players who had invalid bids by Jimmy made on them. So commishes, do what you need to do to figure who those players are and we can restart. You won't get an argument from me.

I am going to defend myself against some of the schemer / cheater vibes that are coming through though (even if mostly in jest). This is what happened.
- One of Jimmy's noms closes at 10:25AM
- Jimmy continues to bid on players.
- Jimmy outbids me on Marmol around 1PM that day (I think, going off memory for time)
- Shortly after that I realise the "issue". I immediately PM the Commishes as well as Jimmy to let them know
- The PMs are read basically immediately by all, including Jimmy (yes, you can see when people read your PMs).
- No corrections are made.
- After about 10 hours, time expires.
- I post, in a too definitive way, that I won those players.

Now, everyone is busy. By no means do I blame Scott for "missing" this or doing anything wrong. But for Jimmy to clearly get notified, basically right away, choose not to do anything himself for almost an entire 12-hour cycle, and then come here, play the victim card and act like no one let him know....I'm not sure what's up with that.

I did what I could to let him know, and I was relying on the commishes to let everyone else know if they chose to. I didn't want to post it in the thread because we shouldn't and I didn't want to outbid an invalid bid! And to be honest, I didn't know / remember the "invalid bid" thread existed - that's my fault.

There was no shady business here.

With that said, I agree that the starting-off-on-the-right-foot-ness is more important than an overpriced Marmol at this point. So, I guess we're starting this fun process over again...

[Deleted]

Scott,

Don't let this stuff get you down. This has been and is a great league!

Maybe I am wrong and we should just follow everything by the letter, the rules are in place for a reason. I'll admit I too am tired of people not following the format that was set up. I'd have less sympathy if the bids were invalid, but I just thought the situation with Ben/Jimmy felt cheap.

The problem isn't the commishes it's people just doing the right thing and if you want a player up the bid.

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Ben,

My only comment is how do you even know he only has 1 or 0 people up for bid unless your going on there and looking and counting? Why not just worry about yourself, the bid posted for each player was higher, you caused all these issues instead of just posting a higher bid and placing a comment that he needed to put more players up for bid.

[jsally430]

To the league,

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm perfect when I bid. Because I'm not. Far from it actually. (As I'm sure scott.can varify).
But, when I'm checking the auction every 3 minute break I get while at work or checking to see if I have my players nominated quickly in the morning before I leave for work. I'm going to make mistakes. I want the league to be able to move on and not be hung up waiting for me. I want players to sell rosters to fill up so we can move on. Even "6th grade math" can have mistakes in it.
Scott,
Thank you for all the time you have put in to this league. It's an awesome league. They're going.to be mistakes along the way especially with the long process of the free agent auction. But, fear you will "burn out" if you try to micro manage every one mistakes. My suggestion is if some one messes up a bid let it be illegal. No one is ever going to learn with the league commish.holding our hands.
Thanks
Jake
A mistake prone owner
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[bxm701]

I'm not even going to answer why I was trying to help ensure something we all spend way too much time on was running smoothly. Give me a break...

That wasn't the only issue I let the commishes know about, and the others had no benefit to me.

And if you want to waste money on outbidding invalid bids, that's your decision man.

Anyway, time to move on!

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Feb 15, 2013 10:26:58 GMT -5 @bxm701 said:

I'm not even going to answer why I was trying to help ensure something we all spend way too much time on was running smoothly. Give me a break...

That wasn't the only issue I let the commishes know about, and the others had no benefit to me.

Not to beat a dead horse but again you caused the issue by not simply upping the bid which was valid ( him not having enough players posted made it invalid not the bid itself ) You could have handled it better and chose not too. Your being THAT GUY. You know who THAT GUY is.......

THAT GUY - hits accept on a trade when he see's one of the players go down with a season ending injury

THAT GUY - See's someone accidently put a guy in the wrong line up spot and demands he score no stats for the period due to an illegal line up

THAT GUY - Searches the constitution for loopholes in the rules to exploit for the season until they can be changed the next season

Don't be THAT GUY.

[bxm701]

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I'd like to thank the league for this award.

Let me say it wasn't easy. The easy thing is not to comment or to comment once and then leave it alone. THe hard part is to keep commenting, constantly trying to get in the last word. Never satisfied until everyone just want's to scream SHUT UP!!!!! That's how you earn an award like this.

With this award I can say..... you like me, you really like me

Thanks this means a lot

[Deleted]

Guy's I just talked to Scott and I think we found a solution to all of this that will work for everyone. Were going to reset everything back to the beginning starting with picking our franchises. Draft order will be determined by the number of posts you've made in the forum.....

With the first pick I select.....

[cugs36]

Okay....sorry for all of the stirrup. Let's keep everything as it currently is and move forward. For the record, I did not receive an e-mail that I had one less guy up for the nomination but did receive a PM (which I very rarely even look at) and saw that well after all of this happened. Again, I apologize for all this mess and it will not happen again. All let's move on and you can keep Marmol and Lindstrom as they will both suck anyway.....Good Luck all!!

[Scott (Boston Padres)]

I have two things to say.

1) Maybe this should be a H2H league. Would be great to see a Cleveland Nationals vs. Texas Giants matchup!

2) I'm looking forward to the blind bidding in-season and next off-season for RFA's! Now THAT should be interesting!